In this conversation, Stephanie Gerber Wilson speaks with Dr. Deborah Shushan Debra Shushan about the complexities of U.S. foreign policy, particularly in relation to Saudi Arabia and the implications of MBS’s recent visit to Washington. They discuss the historical context of U.S.-Saudi relations, the Khashoggi incident, and the intertwining of corruption and authoritarianism in current politics. The conversation highlights the need for a reevaluation of U.S. foreign policy and the importance of human rights in international relations.
Audio Podcast 99. Debra Shushan, Middle East Politics, and the Trump Regime
Corruption at its finest
Nov 19, 2025
Freedom Over Fascism
Freedom Over Fascism is hosted by Dr. Stephanie Gerber Wilson. She talks with activists, historians, journalists, and office-holders in a no-bullshit way to provide analysis,history, context, and sharp insight on the fascist takeover of the United States. She'll discuss the information war and how to beat the MAGA Murder Machine.
Founded January 2023. Please consider upgrading to a paid subscription today if you have the means.
Freedom Over Fascism is hosted by Dr. Stephanie Gerber Wilson. She talks with activists, historians, journalists, and office-holders in a no-bullshit way to provide analysis,history, context, and sharp insight on the fascist takeover of the United States. She'll discuss the information war and how to beat the MAGA Murder Machine.
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