In this conversation, Stephanie Gerber Wilson speaks with Dr. Deborah Shushan
about the complexities of U.S. foreign policy, particularly in relation to Saudi Arabia and the implications of MBS’s recent visit to Washington. They discuss the historical context of U.S.-Saudi relations, the Khashoggi incident, and the intertwining of corruption and authoritarianism in current politics. The conversation highlights the need for a reevaluation of U.S. foreign policy and the importance of human rights in international relations.99 AUDIO PODCAST Debra Shushan, Middle East Politics, and the Trump Regime
Corruption at its finest
Nov 19, 2025
Freedom Over Fascism
Freedom Over Fascism is hosted by Dr. Stephanie Gerber Wilson. She talks with activists, historians, journalists, and office-holders in a no-bullshit way about what a reimagined United States will look like. We talk about ongoing themes in the historical and cultural life of the United States, the history we've forgotten or is being willfully erased, and the vision and imagination it's going to take to rebuild a society we can get behind, whenever that can happen. We'll keep talking about how to win the information war and how to resist effectively. And we'll provide concrete advice on how to frame our ideas so we talk about what we're for, instead of reinforcing what we're against.
Founded January 2023. Please consider upgrading to a paid subscription today if you have the means.
Freedom Over Fascism is hosted by Dr. Stephanie Gerber Wilson. She talks with activists, historians, journalists, and office-holders in a no-bullshit way about what a reimagined United States will look like. We talk about ongoing themes in the historical and cultural life of the United States, the history we've forgotten or is being willfully erased, and the vision and imagination it's going to take to rebuild a society we can get behind, whenever that can happen. We'll keep talking about how to win the information war and how to resist effectively. And we'll provide concrete advice on how to frame our ideas so we talk about what we're for, instead of reinforcing what we're against.
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